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Credit For All The Good, No Blame For The Bad

The aunt of one of the women found alive after having been kidnapped in Cleveland 10 years ago says "If you don’t believe in miracles, I suggest you think again."

Uhm ….. seriously?

Gina DeJesus was abducted when she was 14 years old and raped for a decade … and you say "God is looking out for us"?

That's not really the kind of protection I want for my family.


I'd much rather have the protection of the neighbor who helped the girls escape, myself!
Well, for what it's worth, the guy could have killed them and hidden the bodies, and the families would live the rest of their lives never knowing. If a person feels that god protected them from that, at least, well... I don't know. I just feel like in a situation like this, if faith is what keeps the family strong, or helps the ones who are in that situation, it's not really anyone's place to start criticizing that. I get that this is an atheist group and all, but in some situations, maybe it's better to just leave it alone.
I don't begrudge her whatever helps her sleep at night—if believing in God kept her sane, then good for her and her belief. I'd never tell her to her face that believing in God is foolish, or point out how inconsistent her belief appears to be (God rescued her, but bears no responsibility for a decade of imprisonment and rape) because it's entirely her business and doesn't effect my life negatively.

I will, however, speak to like-minded people about how absurd this mindset seems to me.
And you're free to do that. I'm also free to express the feeling that it's in poor taste.
Of course you are—did I imply that you had no business commenting on my post? I'm certainly not complaining.

I do fail to see how my post is in "poor taste" though.
It's not really my job to educate you on that subject. If you feel it's appropriate, nothing I say will change that for you.
Neither of those things is true.

1. No, it's not your "job," but if you make a claim, you should be able to defend or support it—or at the very least, explain it.

2. It's entirely possible that if you make a compelling argument in favor of your claim, I will agree with (or at the very least, understand) your claim. Just because I haven't thought of a position on my own doesn't mean I would never find it legitimate or worthwhile.
You feeling high and mighty at the moment?

This isn't one of the central victims that made this comment. It's their aunt. For all you know the actual victims can no more easily reconcile what happened to them with a loving god than either Throwingstardna or myself can.

If the aunt wants to suggest that 10 years of imprisonment and rape was all part of God's plan then I, for one, find that highly inappropriate. I'm all for her using religion to help her come to terms with what happened to her niece, but to make a public statement putting it forward as evidence of miracles? I'm not so happy with that.

If God left them in that hell for all those years then yeah, I suppose it WAS a miracle that He ever let them go. If there's really a God, I'm not convinced that this story paints Him in a good light.
Then why did you comment at all, exactly?
I would say it's in poor taste if he was confronting the victims or their families/friends about it. Not in a community of atheists. Context is important.
God has a plan - a terrible, terrible plan.
I suppose after all that time it felt like a miracle they ever got out of there.

If her religious beliefs are helping her to come to terms with this shocking crime against her niece then good for her I guess. But yeah, it's a pretty crummy reason to believe in miracles. The Lord works in seriously effed up mysterious ways, eh?
I'm sure at first it feels miraculous that these people are still alive.

... but there's a long road to recovery ahead. PTSD is practically a given, and there's the obvious problem that these young women have had their educations and professional development set back by a decade. Goodness knows what other major challenges they'll face - they'll certainly never be the same.

I hope for their sake that the feeling of "this is a miracle" never wears off. ...I don't have a lot of hope for it, though. :(
At least, in the olden days, this line of reasoning was marginally less hypocritical. While God got all of the credit for the good, "the devil made them do it" was still an acceptable rationale for the bad. These days, though, "I was possessed by Satan" doesn't hold water for most folks to explain away evil behaviour, while "God was working through me" is still an acceptable explanation for good acts. Nowadays we just have the one unobservable, undefinable entity taking credit for own actions.

Me, I'd skip the prayer and give the neighbour who got them out the world's biggest gift basket, but that's just me being a big 'ol skeptical killjoy.
If this is a miracle, it confirms my suspicion that Charles Ramsey is a god.